tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7621529782651296685.post8392145005005246844..comments2020-08-01T22:28:50.016-06:00Comments on Proactive Progressive Populism: What is postformal enaction?Edward Bergehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13864657929019204993noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7621529782651296685.post-57559043079349001652010-11-05T07:05:26.139-06:002010-11-05T07:05:26.139-06:00So we have to wonder then, if Derrida as "con...So we have to wonder then, if Derrida as "construct aware" can be convincingly supported by viable evidence from Cook-Greuter's own system, how it is that her and Wilber can skew him as "merely" relativistic? Where is the disconnect? Might it have something to do with my earlier questions, of postformality construed by a formal system as part of the problem? As Gidely observed, there is a difference between those who measure this stuff versus those who enact it.Edward Bergehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13864657929019204993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7621529782651296685.post-7045876266335672002010-11-05T06:59:29.681-06:002010-11-05T06:59:29.681-06:00And here are some quotes from Hampson's refere...And here are some quotes from Hampson's referenced article:<br /><br />“Caputo reports here that deconstruction is beyond...pluralistic relativism. <br /><br />“Derrida’s comments here are therefore not coming from a relativist perspective.... Furthermore, deconstruction itself is clearly articulated as being beyond the relativism of unbridled equivocity: Derrida sees relativism as self-limiting, confusing, unintelligible. <br /><br />“A plausible hypothesis, then, would be to consider that these comments from Derrida centre around the perspective of The Magician—a level beyond Wilber’s Teal / Integral / “post-postmodern” / Yellow vMeme. <br /><br />“Derrida rationally differentiates deconstruction from destruction and indicates that deconstruction is a constructive activity. He also explicitly reflexes upon its subtle dialectical quality. His writing demonstrates a high level of developmental maturity, in which deconstruction is recognised and reflexively enacted in a post-relativist, dialectical, construct-aware mode. Derrida and deconstruction are clearly something Other than that signified by Wilber in his use of the term, deconstructive postmodernism” (134-5).Edward Bergehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13864657929019204993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7621529782651296685.post-82102906902844058932010-11-04T20:35:25.042-06:002010-11-04T20:35:25.042-06:00Here's a post by Desilet in the postformal dia...Here's a post by Desilet in the postformal dialectics thread:<br /><br />"For Derrida, every dualism to which one could point is 'both/and' (and, if you prefer, 'neither/nor'). Not everyone who reads Derrida positions him this way, but Gary does (if I read him properly in his article) and I think he gets Derrida right when pointing out, along with Caputo, that Derrida offers more than 'pluralistic relativism' (see page 134). And in a section following this one Gary says (in discussing the Pre/Trans Fallacy)from a subtler, postformal perspective, Stanislav Grof comments, 'the distinction between pre- and trans- has a paradoxical nature; they are neither identical, nor are they completely different from each other.' And further, Gary notes, 'Here both conceptual agency (or difference) and conceptual communion (or mutual identity) are foregrounded' (page 145). This view of oppositional 'structure' aligns with Derrida and deconstruction. Gary also notes that this resembles the 'integrative-but-fluxing dialectic between wave and particle' in physics. <br /><br />"Derrida foregrounds both identity and difference and in any particular instance these do not necessarily have equal status. Every dualism implies 'essential difference' i.e., one cannot be reduced to the other) and 'essential relation' (i.e., one does not occur without the other). This paradox maintains a simultaneity of difference and identity all the way to the core of oppositions such that it cannot rightly be said that either duality or nonduality best describes the situation."Edward Bergehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13864657929019204993noreply@blogger.com