See this Intercept podcast including transcript. I prefer the latter because I can read much faster. There is also a link to the video therein. The blurb:
"James Risen and Glenn Greenwald have both won Pulitzer Prizes.
They both have found themselves in the crosshairs of the U.S. government
for their journalism. And they both write for The Intercept. But Jim
and Glenn have taken very different approaches to covering the
Trump/Russia story. This week on Intercepted, they go head-to-head in a
debate. Glenn is one of the most high-profile critics of the official
story that has been put forward by the U.S. intelligence community, the
Democrats, and many media outlets, including some of this country’s most
powerful papers and news channels. Jim battled both the Bush and Obama
administrations — under threat of imprisonment — for refusing to name
his sources in some of the most sensitive national security reporting of
the modern era. Jim broke a key story on a secret NSA channel to Russia
and his first column for The Intercept, about the Trump/Russia investigation, posed the question: Is Donald Trump a traitor?"
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