My response to Balder in the last post follows:
Bhaskar and/or OOO transcendentally deducing what is real gets me back to one of my first questions in the OOO thread.
OOO is anti-correlationism, yet this speculative realist premise or
transcendental deduction is itself an anthropocentric and correlationist
translation, or kosmic address as it were, of what reality is like.
I.e., it is an existent speculating on a subsistent. Even though it
admits no direct access to verify or confirm such a speculation, it
nonetheless seeks evidence by deducing the premise from empirical,
scientific findings, i.e., after the 'facts.'
But of course the 'facts' are those actual, manifest occasions. It
matters not if those facts subsisted before we came along to 'exist'
them in our translated worldspace. Subsistence might grant ontic status
to objects regardless of epistemic translations, but as Balder points
out even subsistence is an actual occasion and has nothing to do with
that occasion's withdrawn reserve or excess. An occasion's actuality
might be otherwise under different conditions. Yes, some such occasions
may have been around (subsisted) a long time relatively, since the Big
Bang, hence their apparently stable structure. But they could be
different under different initial conditions, which conditions may very well
change at the end of this cycle and the beginning of another.
So this notion of the withdrawn is still necessary to keep things
open and otherwise, and to posit it in a non-metaphysical way that doesn't
require changeless and timeless Causal realms and states with immediate
access. As I said, it may appear timeless and changeless given the human
translative frame and the billions of years of semi-stability. And it
does thereby open doors into post-metaphysicality, which is after all
the current integral project. Still, I take the Lingam's point
that even so, this is the human postmetaphysical kosmic address that is
speculating or transcendentally deducing it all. Reality no doubt
subsists that speculation, but it doesn't exist as this translation
beforehand and hence back around to our epistemic correlationism. Which
is why even Bryant is now back to being a correlationist in this post and our discussion thereof here and preceding/following.
Bryant now advocates a form of pan-correlationism in that all suojects translate
their worlds. But this goes beyond anthropocentric translation. And
elsewhere he has noted that all suobject equally exist, but do not exist
equally, accounting for the notion of suobjects of more inclusive
mereological scale. So the next obvious conclusion is that it is the
responsibility of anthropos, with this knowledge, to move forward and
progress. Without humanity, at least its more enlightened progressives,
we are in very real danger of catastrophic destruction via climate
change, possibly even to the planet for millennia if not forever. Hence a
return to this sort of correlationism and its enacted teleos might
indeed be thwarted if we get obsessed with its modernist manifestations.
Even though he admits correlationallism in that all machines have at
least partial access to the thing in itself (TII), still the TII cannot
be reduced to that access, even if we add up all such accesses (itself
an impossible task). In that sense the TII subsists and is not dependent
on another machines access to it. In that regard recall this discussion
on how kennilingus approaches subsistence, the TII, the Causal, and
access.
Another point is Bryant realizes we cannot just lump all human access
into one universal access. It depends on all sorts of factors, from
gender, class, education, work, tech etc. While kennilingus might not
emphasize these differences enough it does include, even if lopsided,
cognitive and other stages based on empirical observation and
testing. And it is in this regard that OOOers can refine their own
notions of how humanity can increase its access to the TII, while still
not claiming to total access via some nirodha state equivalent to the
withdrawn Causal TII.
And to reiterate, having progressed beyond a modernist
anthropic correlationism we can return to a more evolved anthropic
access, for it is only through that sort of access that we can remedy
the devastation created by a less evolved anthropos on the environment.
It is questionable that the damage we've done can fix itself at this
point, unless by fix we mean such dramatic climate change that humanity
and most forms of complex life are eliminated. Earth may survive but it
may never give birth to these life forms again.
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