I'm looking over the section of Integral
Spirituality on the conveyor belt. A few points of relevance
for this IPS thread.
He notes that agnosticism and atheism via formop cognition are
legitimate forms of orange spirituality (191). They just need to
acknowledge the legitimacy of other levels of spirituality, both
above and below it. Hence the need for the conveyor belt. I'd here
disagree with the statement that seeing absolute reality in terms of
finite matter and energy is a reduction, but that's an argument long
rehashed in many other threads.
Amber religion though needs to open up to orange and above
religion. So is that saying religion itself must go through an orange
agnostic or atheist stage? Or are there other forms of theistic
orange religion. I don't see that addressed here. While there are
examples of orange and green religion they are apparently not openly
discussed by religious hierarchies.
Nonetheless, a key point of the conveyor belt is that everyone
goes through each stage starting from scratch and we must honor that
everyone has the right to stop at whatever stage they want. Religion
thus must allow for the entire spectrum from pre to post. And
religion must provide an environment for those that want to go post
to support that development.
However, he uses an analogy on 193. Modern medical education does
not start with the mythic level in applying leaches or using
phrenology in diagnosis, then moving on the antibiotics etc. But this
is legitimate for religions? He understands that in other domains
certain worldviews and correlative practices are outmoded, i.e,
transcended and replaced. But not with religions for some
inexplicable reason. (Recall the
thread on transitional structures.) For the moment I'd add that
some rational and post religious views like Caputo and Keller do not
continue to contain pre-rational elements.
Now I can see that religion retains its amber level myths for
children as they grow up, since it appropriate for their cognitive
level. But should they be able to decided to not grow up any further?
Remain as children in their religious beliefs? In any other modern
standard that would be arrested development and dysfunction, not ok.
Again, religion is given a pass here that in inapplicable to any
other domain. I can see where stopping at the general level of the
rest of society's domains, like orange to green. But stopping at
amber not so much, since this is in fact where we get the sort of
ethnocentrism that hinders rather than brings together humanity.
His suggestion that religions provide state training so that
whatever level one chooses to stop will have some numinous
experience. And interpret it from their ethnocentric level, just
adding fuel to their myopic fire providing further justification that
they have God on their side and the heathens must be damned to hell
at best or killed in jihad at worst. And there is obviously no
empirical evidence to the Lingam's claim that having such state
experiences accelerates one's stage development, given he provided
ample examples elsewhere in the book, even of the Dalai Lama, still
having some rather disturbing ethnocentric beliefs.
On 198-9 he does give a list of come representatives of orange and
green religious views. He also notes that it is urgent to move
religious practitioners from amber to orange, from ethnocentric to
worldcentric, which is religion's job. He admits that religion needs
to grow up. Agreed. And as I said, it can retain its amber
expressions for children. But it also needs to make the kids grow up
too, and let go of the amber religions expressions at the appropriate
stage, not allow them to remain as children in the religious line
because they decide to stop there.
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