More commentary on integral anti-capitalism

My latest comment in the FB discussion linked earlier.

First of all Senator Sanders has never even remotely suggested revolution. Or destroying big business. These are paranoid delusions of the political regressives (conservatives) that are adopted by some 'integral' folk due to accepting that green automatically means relativism and/or anti-business. Sanders is working within the existing system for reform and just seeks legitimate regulation on big business so that they don't own the political process.

I'd agree with Lex that most kennilinguists are indeed using lower order formal thinking masquerading as postformal thinking. That was also expressed by Cook-Greuter at the last ITC and seems readily apparent to most integralists not enamored by only the kennilingus dogma.

As to my point about Robb on hypercognitive distinctions being counterproductive, that was one of my earlier points above on how kennilingus is indeed using formal logic as does capitalism, with a certain kind of hierarchical thinking that is metaphysical to the core as expressed in top-down, command and control structures. Many others beside Cook-Greuter think so, one being Jennifer Gidley in this paper where she tries to integrate the views of Wilber, Gebser and Steiner:

"For Gebser, integral-aperspectival consciousness is not experienced through expanded consciousness, more systematic conceptualizations, or greater quantities of perspectives. In his view, such approaches largely represent over-extended, rational characteristics. Rather, it involves an actual re-experiencing, re-embodying, and conscious re-integration of the living vitality of magic-interweaving, the imagination at the heart of mythic-feeling and the purposefulness of mental conceptual thinking, their presence raised to a higher resonance, in order for the integral transparency to shine through" (111).

Which brings up Bonnie's above point about the stages of cultural evolution as"radical disconnection from the current higher forms." This was indeed Gebser's notion, as Gidley and many others attest. Where I'd argue with Bonnie is that she agrees this sort of hierarchical complexity is adquate for describing individual development. I noted that the likes of Luhmann, Varela & Thompson also see individual levels as similar to social development in that each level is discrete and autonomous, and work with each other via structural coupling.

All of which is a long way around of supporting the thesis that certain forms of integral thinking are indeed still using formal logic in its hierarchical construction and command and control organizational structure, as does capitalism. Hence its promotions of capitalism but adding a conscious component. Which I'll grant is an improvement, but not the current and already existing next phase of socio-economic evolution on the ground, the Commons. It is the latter integralists should be promoting and living if we truly are to be on the cutting edge.