Hartmann interviews Frank on his new book

Rendezvous with Oblivion. It's a collection of essays over the years that point to a common theme leading up to where we are now: The intellectual guardians of society have failed leading to a culmination in Dump Swamp. And given the establishment Dem Party aversion to populism nothing will change until we change the Dem Party with progressive populists. I join Hartmann in continuing the agitation toward that end.