Discussion with LP on the problem & solutions

Following up on this post, LP responded. Part of our dialog follows:

LP: His analysis is perfect for what he is doing but it focuses primarily on a handful of real socioeconomic factors which are amenable to a progressive socialist solution. What other factors are there? Obviously the lack of efficiency in collective intelligence presented by both the general electoral process and the electoral college -- these constrain the set of possible outcomes in a way that permits outcomes of this kind. And might permit them under a diverse set of socioeconomic conditions. Also what I have called the "political shamanism" dimension is untouched in his analysis although it is clear he is instinctively better at this than is Rodham. Entertaining and uncanny nonsense is an ancient and universal signalling system that operates, although in different ways an degrees, under a wide set of social and material conditions. Also the Lakoff type analyses need to be included. And what I might call the McLuhan argument about how the behavior of mass populations is altered by changing technological and media conditions. So those three or four should be added.

Me: Part of some Dem Party criticism, including mine, is that the working Joe doesn't care for elite intelligentsia explanations. So instead of framing it in those terms we might, as you suggest, just DO it instead of framing it that way. Trump succeeded by plain and simple framing counter to the Dem smarty pants explanations. And that's exactly what Sanders does, as he also connects on a deep level with the working class. Hence his messaging in the video stays on that level. And Sanders also strongly criticized the media for not only screwing him over but for building up Trump. But again, in the framing of the common man, which is what is needed.

Integralists and meta-theorists can have fun playing their elite games, but to produce effective electoral results still have to frame it for the working class. Just having meta-theories for the elite class to impose as is on lower levels is not the way to go, for it only serves its own class. See the SuperHuman operating system, for example.


LP: The type of dissociation between elite metatheory and practical integration parallels the now standard gap between bureaucratic progressives and the so-called "working class". It is a wound that must be healed. 

Me: Hence the attempt by Sanders and Warren to work within the Democratic Party to reform it. Who will fill the leadership positions of the Senate minority leader and the DNC Chair will tell us if that wound can be healed or not. I'm not that hopeful it can be and hence the need to break with the Party.

A similar situation happened in the integral community. The Wilberries kept to the elitist creamy froth meme while a few others like Bruce and some in the ITCs are forging a different path toward such integration. Don't get me wrong. As an elitist myself I'm all for meritocracy based on performance. But that performance has to go beyond me and my elite class to 1) connect with everyone else and 2) to help them. 

PS: That is a lesson I struggle with all the time, hence my focus on it. I need to re-learn and reiterate it constantly.