Thursday, September 18, 2014

Jorge Ferrer interview

Balder started an IPS thread on this here. My initial comment follows. 

Good article. On p. 101 I appreciate how different religions emphasize and develop different aspects, like contemplation, psychophysical integration, social service etc. All these aspects are part and parcel of a 'spiritual' tradition. It's a point I made in the FB thread on Clinton v. Warren. It seems some traditions make state experiences the foci of what's important and foundation for the whole shebang (like Sam Harris recently). Ferrer expands on this later on the page and into the next page with the eco-social-political test. That was also part of my argument in that thread as part of a legitimate 'spiritual' tradition.

In response to LP's initial comment I said (see the thread for his comment):

LP's point about Ferrer's article pointing to a necessary example of a practical mode for our times is one I've made for political-economic models. That is, the likes of Senators Warren and Sanders are pertinent for our times in moving away from oligarchy toward a fuller, contemporary democracy than that originally envisioned by the Founders. And that Rifkin's reports of the emerging Commons is a contemporary expression of what is happening on the ground at this transition from capitalism toward what we might envision as 'integral.' I chose to support these contemporary developments whatever 'level' might be ascribed to them in some nebulous fantasy of what it's supposed to be. Granted I'm still active in that envisioning process, but leaving it much more open to change from what is already on the ground than trying to fit what's on the ground to some abstract ideal. Which, btw, is one of Ferrer's criticisms of kennilingus.

In response to another of LP's comments I said:

But also how emerging cultural conditions affect how we envision our 'integral' future. Per Spiral Dynamics the internal levels emerge in coordination with environment conditions. I'm suggesting that accounting for our current emerging environmental conditions requires changes to our 'integral' visions. I've criticized the Lingam for sticking to his AQAL vision where it most certainly diverges from, and refuses to change in light of, those emerging environmental conditions. 

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