"But to my mind postmodernism is more than simply a cultural value
system. Postmodernism also has its own social, technological, and
political contexts--contexts that are missing in the US and therefore I
think from much of the American integral theorists. For example,
postmodernism is built around networks (particularly as seen in nature) rather than strictly vertical conceptions of the universe."
"In Pattern Dynamics, postmodernism isn't the Western counterculture of Boomers but rather organic realities like creativity, emergence, adaptation, and so on. The intrinsic value of humans in this model is one in which they have the conscious choice to incorporate these patterns, leading to a fully integrated sphere of mind (noosphere) and sphere of life (biosphere). That, to me, would be a more developed culture but that had developed by going deeper (not higher)."
"Jean Gebser is a major influence on Jeremy--Jeremy mentions Gebser in the video. Gebser did not see the worldviews he articulates as moving in a vertical developmental sequence (contrary how he is often depicted in integral theory)."
He also highlights points made in this thread [my bolding]:
"By framing postmodernism as a cultural value system, integral writers can argue that they are including these values (environmentalism, minority rights, etc) and therefore have incorporated postmodernism into their outlook. They typically then equate modernism with progress and industriousness. So when they offer their integral (or post-postmodern) vision they basically end up advocating a modernist political and economic system with a more compassionate, supposedly postmodern, value system. And this, it is argued, is post-postmodern: transcending while yet including modernism and postmodernism.
"This is how we arrive at ideas like Conscious Capitalism and also, I would argue, Holacracy (note: see Olivier's reponse disputing that point in the comments below). In other words, we are to assume the modernist structure of globalized capitalism and then seek to find ways to bring integral consciousness within that reality (including more postmodern values of sensitivity)."
"In Pattern Dynamics, postmodernism isn't the Western counterculture of Boomers but rather organic realities like creativity, emergence, adaptation, and so on. The intrinsic value of humans in this model is one in which they have the conscious choice to incorporate these patterns, leading to a fully integrated sphere of mind (noosphere) and sphere of life (biosphere). That, to me, would be a more developed culture but that had developed by going deeper (not higher)."
"Jean Gebser is a major influence on Jeremy--Jeremy mentions Gebser in the video. Gebser did not see the worldviews he articulates as moving in a vertical developmental sequence (contrary how he is often depicted in integral theory)."
He also highlights points made in this thread [my bolding]:
"By framing postmodernism as a cultural value system, integral writers can argue that they are including these values (environmentalism, minority rights, etc) and therefore have incorporated postmodernism into their outlook. They typically then equate modernism with progress and industriousness. So when they offer their integral (or post-postmodern) vision they basically end up advocating a modernist political and economic system with a more compassionate, supposedly postmodern, value system. And this, it is argued, is post-postmodern: transcending while yet including modernism and postmodernism.
"This is how we arrive at ideas like Conscious Capitalism and also, I would argue, Holacracy (note: see Olivier's reponse disputing that point in the comments below). In other words, we are to assume the modernist structure of globalized capitalism and then seek to find ways to bring integral consciousness within that reality (including more postmodern values of sensitivity)."
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