The consequences of metaphysical givens

The following is in response to Joe here.While I'd agree both view accept givens, the transcendent sees them as timeless and changeless whereas the transcendental sees them as contingent and changeable. And this makes a HUGE practical difference in politics, economics and religion. Bryant is at his best when he lays out the political implications of transcendent principles used as an excuse for hegemony, privilege and abuse. We even see it as a most practical matter in the likes of I-I's organizational structure, and the type of economics they promote (conscious capitalism). See for example the new thread on Cohen waking up to the former, and the integral capitalism thread for how kennlingus perpetuates the inequities of capitalism, conscious or otherwise.

And the entire raison d'etre for this forum is to explore integral postmetaphysical spirituality, which includes Wilber's invaluable insights but also criticizes where he fails to live up to that goal. Accepting Wilber's remnant metaphysics hinders that goal and is again of HUGE philosophical import if we want to attain that goal. And no, I'm not saying we all have to have the same monolithic view, for part of postmetaphysics is that there are plural avenues. But all of them, like all of SR and OOO, have certain transcendental ontological principles that are postmetaphysical and valid critique to kennilingus. Hence our inclusion of them in our quest.